Every version of tracking stats. So we're gonna look at Petergia. And I mentioned George a little bit ago.
York is both a contributor to Memorial Lab and also works at Peturja. And so if you see that in the preview yesterday or you see your name popping up into some channels in Slack, etc.
That would be why we are not locked in on this tool. It's just the 1st that we're trialling and I can't wait to find out what I saw to learn yesterday at an event about it.
So that would be great. So again, a big thanks to, a big thanks to, a big thanks to, Isata for all of the work on getting this set up for all of the work on getting this set up and there's also a part of this they call sorting hat.
For all of the work on getting this set up and there's also a part of this they call sorting hat.
It just means that somebody is GitHub name and the WordPress profile and figuring out this is them in track at GitHub and here's the organization that they may represent or they may not they might be an individual so we're just helping to put the pieces that are publicly available.
Together. Right. So that's the idea. Right now this tool is only hooked up to GitHub.
And at the time, it is not publicly available for anyone without login to seat. There are some pros and cons to that.
I would love to have a conversation if you all know of anybody that has a really strong background in data science and handling big data.
Those kind of contributors in the project. Hmm. We haven't had a lot of opportunity for them before, but this is a big one.
The story that you craft with data when you do big surveys think about our annual survey that we complete.
That those the questions in our annual survey help tell the predictable story we have. With what are the results this year?
However, when you complete something with this type of data. There's a lot that you could do with that.
So one of the things you could see here is the different organizations that are there. I can actually go in and set my timeframe instead of the last 90 days.
You know, we're now a 21 year old project. So let's see. Now I will tell you, we weren't using GitHub, 21 years ago.
I, we might have been just, cowboy coding. Maybe not, but you know, 21 years ago.
So we could see that the data can change based upon there, Sergey, who merges almost everything that goes into our release.
Amazing. So we see what the data can reflect. You could see Borin who had long time contributor to the project also handled a lot of commits.
And Nason still makes it up 3. 0, that's hilarious. Nason's 1 of our Really, really veteran contributors still listed as one of the core leads, I think.
And the core handbuck. So under GitHub issues this one's going to focus in on things that are open and closed.
We can get data about again who submitted the issues, how many different repos they're connected to, etc.
You'll see because we are only hooked up to GitHub at this time that there is a quite a bit of GitHub stats available this way, although this tool can also integrate slack.
Giorg shares with me that this tool would not be able to see threaded messages. So for things that happen in meetings, best to not necessarily thread everything.
We don't have that hooked up yet. That's if we decide to continue on. We're on a trial account at this time and automatic is helping us fund that much much appreciative of that but long term that needs to be a broader project expense and not solely an automatic expense based upon what automatic to share with us.
So, we're exploring what those could look like. You'll see that there are different repos here.
I haven't dug in enough to know yet one of the things that would be really interesting is too as if we continue to look at this tool in particular.
To have a way to say, show me these repos that are part of this team. Some teams may have more than one repo.
These, these repos go with this team. This is the couple of slack channels. Think about core.
They have, I don't know, a dozen selection. So to be able to kind of pull together some of those things and make a variety of those things and make a variety of this that says.
These show me the data related to all of the core entities. Right, so that's something that is.
Kind of in my mind. We'll see when we can get there. And then we have there's there is a lot more.
I'll ask you, is there something that you would like me to draw more attention to in this software?
So 1st of all, thanks a lot, Courtney, for the, the overview.
Absolutely.
That. What this software offers right now, even if it just GitHub is already huge.
So I don't necessarily think that it may be a great idea to go into all details. Right.
Hmm.
I think that it could be more confusing. Some. Those, mmm, the potential that I see now.
Probably very relevant for all teams. Are. The possibility to check the activities on specific repositories.
Hmm.
It would be great to see what projects needs more help so we can also address when comes to sponsor contributors, we can help organization address their like their efforts.
Specific teams that need more help. It is very cool the possibility here to see the retention and certain rates.
Yeah.
So, so see where we are losing contributors, where we are getting more and more contributors. I I see a huge possibilities.
He.
I think that before the deciding what to use and how to use it. I think that we really need to study and decide what is relevant for us to know because it that all this information that we have here are necessarily relevant to all the teams at all times.
So. And. There is there are 2 points that makes me wonder made me wonder if This is the tool.
Like the right tool for us, which are. First, st the price. We're still waiting for or a quote for the tail quote if we need to include if we're going to include all the sources that we have from for contribution because it doesn't feel.
Necessarily. You just fall to everyone or complete or exhaustive to just focus on on GitHub.
Yeah.
And so we need to see how much is gonna be the cost because I, we think for what they have shared not officially yet that.
It could be a huge amount of money. And second, the second point is that yes, we can customize it. It's great.
We can change, create different customizations. Also, custom filters. But at the end of today we will be always depending on them.
Hmm.
So it wouldn't be something that. People contributing to this project can really jump in and change whatever we want, when we want.
Okay.
So these are the 2 things that I'd love all of us to consider also one, will have to make a decision.
Yeah.
But, I think that it is super powerful to have something that allows us to have. This type of overview and also become more granular when, for example, we need to, mmm, the time, the efficiency, the efficiency panel, it is.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Something that in potential it is super cool to have because, again, if we, if each team needs to check, okay, where to put their efforts These are great tools because we don't want to, I believe nobody wants to duplicate efforts or be working on similar things into different ways or we see that there are more impactful projects.
Now.
For teams that are not having enough support or specific, we could understand specific type of issue that remains open.
Yeah.
For the most like the longest time and so we could. As teams, we could make our decision on how to use the effort that we have at full time.
So yes, I For the moment, I mean, if folks are interested in checking in more and like find out more about the different panels, I believe that we can we can create a moment for that but I don't think that is necessarily.
Useful to see everything now in this this call as we have limited time.
Yeah, yeah, there is a way to filter some of these things down and I definitely do want to open up for questions and answers.
I wanted to note both Isaiah and I have both mentioned price. This would be to my knowledge the 1st to time that.
Tool for the entire project. Is something that we are looking, if we decide to go with it.
The cost varies based upon for instance If I ask, let's hook up all the team sites, RSS feeds, because this does not yet do.
Track nor WordPress revisions. So I think about teams where That work yesterday we had with us, Mike Arturi, who is one of the folks working on Gather Press and I hear gather press.
May be able to replace meetup. meetup.com used to work with us, but they changed their APIs and we have concerns as a project about continuing with meetup either way.
So the folks that are working on gather press share update via Angela and Michael Tori that they're quite close to getting Greenland to set up Gather Press on one of the multi site parts of our project, which is delightful.
If you think about that and you go then to WordPress revisions, if we were to find a tool, we'd want to track.
The people that revise handbooks, the people that revise docs or learns website, the camps.
Right, we want to account for some of these types of things that would be best not by just an RSS feed because that will only attribute the 1st person person that posted.
I think I need more coffee. So. That to say, There is there are some additional data points that would be helpful when we're looking holistically even just within teams at all the places that the teams do work.
So the people are accurately represented. And then I want to draw quick attention before I move on to walking about an idea that came up yesterday.
With Hari and we were discussing You make use of our 5. For the future. Beirkit Olsum joined us, which was wonderful to have some DEI insight and some of the ideas around.
Privacy. I live in the United States. So I'll let you assume what you will of privacy there compared to things like you privacy GDPR and all of those wonderful things.
So, We were thinking a beer group was advocating for making things an opt in rather than an opt-out for participation.
One of the other thoughts too is that we could leverage companies could access the data about their contributors, perhaps by logging in.
To manage their 5 for the future listing. The same thing with individuals because some of that data may not be things that you really want on your.org profile or somewhere else super public but if you want to get just insights about yourself.
A lot of these tools do offer APIs and so it's things that we could explore.
Those are just some of the high level things that came up yesterday and I want to open it up for some good conversation.
I'll stop screen share, but you've got the oh, I should say. I do have a link for all of you that is public.
This one is not the WordPress project. This one is. Chaos, which is community health analytics in open source software.
It is a Linux foundation project. Sorry for that big long link. I hope it's yes, I think the whole link went through.
That's good in the chat. But it is a dashboard that has more data sources connected to it and is a public.
So this is not our project. This is specifically a different open source project. But you can see what it looks like when somebody hooks up Slack and maybe some of it looks like when somebody hooks up Slack and maybe some demos about what they do.
So feel free on your own to take a look at Slack and maybe some demos about what they do.
So feel free on your own to take a look at that, but I will stop talking and sharing my screen to take a look at that, but I will stop talking and sharing my screen and I see walking and sharing my screen and I see Joaquin's hand up first.st
Hello, thank you, for this great presentation. Some concepts are much more clear to me. I'd like to raise some concern about the data.
Well, I'd like to cover a couple of topics, but the 1st one is raise some concern about the data.
Well, I'd like to cover a couple of topics, but the 1st one is raise some concern about the GitHub because I also have manipulated it.
Hey.
I created some dashboards internally and played with it myself and, someone in the community me that some Attribution.
Might not be correct, right? Because, GitHub has some limitations. Like for instance, if you close a ticket, an issue, it doesn't mean that you are the only person who worked on that on that issue, right?
Okay.
So there's a system that which is very manual which is called props props to corny props to isota perhaps to whoever has worked on that and that data is probably not being pulled right now by Viteria.
So I think this this data maybe is lacking some information and it's like in some contributors that are not the primary ones who close the ticket or stuff like that.
So we we will need all beta, yeah, or whoever is in charge of this should, use regular expressions to capture these props from the comments that people added when they close the issue.
That's the only the 1st concern I have about this particular topic with GitHub. The second is I agree with the He thought that if we follow a path where a company is in charge of building all of this, we can end up with a bottleneck when they cannot, you know, if we request a new visualization, if we request a change here and there or whatever, maybe they are not able to provide
or to fix that. On time and we don't have to not visibility what's their workload.
If they're involved in many other projects, etc. So I will push for an internal solution and I actually commented to one of your topics accordingly suggesting a pipeline, an ETL like extract, transform and load pipeline that will not only cover GitHub but many other sources and you yourself have just mentioned that we are you discussed that many other.
Apps like for instance meetup. Com or. I don't know, like, you know, the WordPress ecosystem uses a lot of, endpoints and, data points and those could be covered and I think we have the opportunity right now to think big and you know expand the scope so we can cover all the use cases we can think of with one single pipeline that we can
build in my opinion internally and with the forming a team of people that are knowledgeable with data and other solutions.
That's a
Yeah, absolutely. I, yes, I fully agree with that. I think too about our, so you had mentioned in your comments too about then also needing the contributor power and the staffing for that.
So one of the the factors to consider is as we're looking to get edit anything off the ground in terms of starting to not just gather the data but sustain it and work on having ways of reporting that out.
The amount of labor for initial setup, the amount of labor needed for ongoing. And similar to our efforts at using tools like Zoom, Slack, and Meetup in this project.
There could be also seasons where, you know, we've looked at scrapping. Slack and going to Matrix or some other systems.
And so Nothing is ever hard set in stone, but I think about. And I'm just bringing it as a point to this.
I'm not saying I'm a decision maker fully, but I think about the is it going to be easier for us to also find the contributors versus finding something like Paturja or we could set up the contributors versus finding something like Paturja or we could set up Gormori Lab that covers much of this ourselves and we could set up Gormori Lab that covers much of this ourselves and run with
some of this ourselves and run with some of that. And open source, and run with some of that.
And open source, use open source tools that are already created. I will say also that the data points coming from able to go into you could get the Api's and there are some projects that have wanted types of things that the Petrojas dashboards don't do, but what it will get what it can give us is the the Api's there to build from that.
I am forgetting the name of what you can, where you could take those Api's into and build your own custom.
I want to say it's open search, but I could be mistaken in that exact information. Don't quote me on it.
Okay.
But yes. Those points are all absolutely hard walking. Nilo.
Hello, I wanted to have something to what Joaquin said. We already have a tool for that that should be extended.
Which they're actually the the user profiles. Because in WordPress user profiles you have the activity log.
Where a lot of teams already dumped them in information. For example, we have there the number of strings some teams or work on you join.
The we already have the contribution to GitHub. Maybe we need some more detail to that. So if we center our efforts into getting more information into the activity log.
Then we will just need some kind of visualization tool which will be wherever Bitter, Graphics or whatever.
Hmm.
But the main repository of data will be ours and we won't be feeding light data to another place.
So we can just feed the data we need to be visualized.
And
Definitely understood. We like owning our own data.
We're open source.
Yeah.
And yes. Maybe the way might be to get people from meta involved in to this so to to get a look look of what kind of information we can get from the profile feed.
Because for example props are already there. And.
Hmm. Yeah, one of the things related to props that I wanted to mention props there is the Slack channel props that people can just give a like a kudos to people for the other thing that came up yesterday with David Baumwald was and we were discussing Andy's predicament.
That one one identity of Tries to synthesize many data points and David was sharing how some somebody may have done a great deal of work and received one prop.
Yeah.
Where as if and if this were somebody now in Andy's case, Andy likes to contribute just because Andy likes to contribute, but if this were someone seeking to have sponsors and wanted to have many points of data, a single prop.
Even though they took you know hours and hours of work and all of that it
Yeah, the same. Yeah, it's the same, batches, you same, they do get the same badge.
Okay. Yeah, and whereas
For translating more stream as for being translating for 10 years.
Yeah, and having Having multiple metrics like one of the metrics I would encourage folks to take a look.
Okay.
Let me pull chaos's. Yeah, Stock community chaos has. That a whole system of.
Metrics and I only share this because it is something that their entire open source project exists to make tools and metrics.
And they are part of the Linux Foundation and Linux Foundation absolutely uses a lot of these details. There are more types of metrics that are used in other open source projects.
I'm wide open to learn from any other open source projects how they handle all of this. But there is a I'm giving you the link to the all metrics for your.
Folks not for right now. I do love the idea of integrating. Further with our profiles in this all metrics, one of the metrics is, things like lines of code change.
Well, we can't say that's our only metric, our only data input, but lines of code change would better handle somebody that has just.
Merged something that was a considerable amount like the rollback plugin let you know it would take something that was considerable labor and better represent it then.
One thing got merged. So it's something that like having I think not just one type of metric, but multiple types is still.
Something that we need to consider.
Yeah, seeing comments in here. Nora, go for it.
Hey, hey. Great presentation. By the way, I will like to share with all you a concern I have.
This system like this one in general I feel this kind of system based in numbers could benefit more, teams whose work with more focused.
With, sorry, that are more focused on, on applauding things to give happen to the repos.
And I mean, reaching the rest in, have potential sponsors of new contributor. You see that there are big difference between teams like core ploughings which can easily be sure they work well or whatever in numbers.
Another 2 like, hours, have a more, discuss based dynamics. At least for now, so I think If we think about our system for this I think it is necessary.
But we need to sing in and kind of an operational, through something of things so we all can benefit for a system like that.
I mean nowadays, sustainability team. Cannot benefit for, from a system based in numbers.
Especially if it is about the repos so For me, it's not just about the tool. But we have also to think about our system.
Teams work.
One of the thoughts too. Asada that I had is that our folks over in design, the design team, most of their work happens in Figma.
So getting that interactivity might be something interesting, I'll just say. Here is a incomplete sheet because it was completed as of 3 weeks ago but our project grows and changes.
I need to add to it, help scout. Media core and there is a channel for court interactivity API that was launched in that window of time.
So I have 3 things that I need to add to the list, but I have created a. Of everywhere that I could find that WordPress work happens and this doesn't include locales.
So we can school me later and that's fine. So there's a lot of places where the teams work and I agree with you, Nora, that we need to think about.
All tracking all the different ways that the teams work. Many are using GitHub. For basic project management.
Trello boards, lean style type of things these days and get hub, which is helpful. It's not about the code.
Necessarily in those cases. So. Kisses.
Hi, we, we are using, in, in Spain. We are documenting doing the, the handbooks and the WordPress documentation with, with, with GitHub, sorry.
It's great.
Now is is doing things with us. They are for now. For now using the the panels, the, the, The project of GitHub, but we.
We are, relax, writing the documentation. Our part, the handbooks, is returning in GitHub.
Everybody is, pushing and is doing the, their contributions in Ghap. Contact, counting in, in their profiles.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. I know that in the training team learns website as well as. All of the word camp websites.
All of the meetup group type of systems, most of the team handbox are not synced to get GitHub at all.
So that work happens as we do in WordPress right inside of WordPress. But yes, many of the sites and teams are also sinking those pieces back to GitHub.
So it helps from tracking GitHub data for sure.
Sorry, I didn't understand. Sorry.
Yeah. Learn that WordPress.
Hi, yeah, yeah.
Hmm.
Not synced to GitHub. So you would edit inside of WordPress. Most of the make team sites.
Not locales. Their handbox not synced to WordPress or I'm sorry not synced to GitHub.
Edit inside of WordPress, Wordcamp sites. Same thing. So. It is helpful when it is synced to GitHub for data points that we can easily get to now.
No tools that we are exploring currently could. Take WordPress editing and revisions and tally that.
Yeah, and we are this is something that we are going to treating in working Europe contributor with with a Stella and Javier Cassadis another another teams because There are some countries that they we are in a Kind of.
I don't know how to say in. I kind of. I don't know if some Spanish.
Oh, yeah.
A pilot. Pilot project.
Yeah, it was evident. A pilot project in which, we are, a pilot project in which we are creating the handbook project in which we are creating the handbook and there The technology is prepared but is not launched.
But they're something someone who knows. In meta how to launch the the synchronization and for now Japan France and another 2 countries are aware of our work.
We are going to meet in work in Europe and we are going to talk about this.
And this contribution.
That's great. That's really great. I plan to also be at Europe. And after these sessions today yet and tomorrow.
I want to. Share a synthesis, share a summary of everything we've done. And help that inform how I use my time on contributor day.
Okay, mainly I would like to make you said that opportunity to talk to folks to get more information, more specific information that would help.
Those of us that are exploring these options consider. All the things we need to consider. There are a couple of folks with us that I want to make sure have some opportunity to also share as you're thinking about some of this if you haven't had a chance yet if you have raised your hand or not.
I would be curious about any thoughts that you might have. Both for and against what you saw in the demo for and against.
Add any of this information. Just thoughts.
Let's go. Sort, of yarn. I don't think I've heard you on screen yet.
No, I haven't been talking yet. So, I just want to make sure that if we go into this and start collecting data and all things that's very good to get more visibility but we always need to keep a parallel track.
Remembering that there are a lot of things happening that will never occur in any data points. I mean, when you're preparing your work, and for instance, you have so many things happening just in practical action and life and you have meetings perhaps on Google or somewhere.
Never be collected and it's still useful work. And that it's probably okay. I mean, as long as you just remember that We will only see.
Those things that are easier or at least some are possible to collect automatically and lots of work would still be under the radar.
This is true. Long time team rep.
On something that's not release related at all. While it is, but. I get that. Alright, Milo, you had another idea.
Yeah, I only wanted to share a concern about this whole project system or whatever is that for the last years we have seen a trend.
The big companies want to sponsor people from both the teams that have a say power say the CCC on power, whatever.
Hmm.
On also the teams that have visibility. So if we even get more visibility to those team, it may get even harder from people to other teams to get a sponsor.
Hmm.
Because a when companies sponsor folks they want to they sponsor people to be visible. To say, hey, I did this.
But if you are sponsoring people from polyglots or from TB or from support is not fancy to say hey I sponsor some guy who replied to a hundred tickets.
Oh, I so feel you, on that. So I think also Hi, I want to be careful and how I say this.
I am a big key component in terms of how good any sponsors in the project. I speak frequently with the decision makers internally.
What would help Me in my role for my internal job. Is to have more data about. When the team say here is what the teams need.
And here is the work that's getting done. And of course a very large company needs to really directly tie it to why it would make sense to the customers.
Holly Glots, I can absolutely tell you. Public lots folks, we need this stuff in other languages because not everybody speaks English.
I as an America will be the 1st to tell you this. I am also only bilingual in computer code, not in human language.
And I realize. You desperately I need translators in my life. TV I know enough to look at that and say oh gosh that's all of the videos for learn especially and also this wealth of knowledge for learn especially and also this wealth of knowledge from camps and meetups.
So I've been around the project. 2,009. I know how to make the cases, but what I don't have is data.
From a, like a plug in a theme company. A lot of that market is if they are not owned by a bigger company.
And I myself, I was a contributor up until 3 years ago, unsponsored for all of that time.
So. I don't want to lose sight of that type of work. But I understand that smaller plugin and theme companies.
May have more flexibility. And how they choose to sponsor. I'll also mention beer get shared with me, Berkat Olsom shared that she's working on a side project.
I think it's probably fine to share with this crowd that would help folks that wish to get sponsored.
Kind of be more visible as something an option for organizations wishing to sponsor and so helping make the matches between the 2.
But. Again, I think that the people that that our stakeholder decision makers. They'll need data about.
The various teams and elevating it from the team's perspective, I think will help then. Work towards some of the concerns that you may have that this one team is significantly further behind.
I do think though to what you're saying as well about Sometimes you need enough critical mass to get the, if you're working with a group of folks all sponsored together from the same organization, you might need a certain measure of critical mass to be able to get anything across the finish line and some some of the teams.
Thoughts. I get it. One, you had your hand up as well.
Yeah, I agree with all the concerns and good ideas that we are all throwing year but Like I'm partially sponsored by by Wiggloot, but.
Yes.
One of the things that came up from the beginning was this. How can we measure what you are doing and and being part of the community team?
Thank you. I will see you soon. But thank you.
It's not that easy because it's like, yeah. Right now, I spend life. 50 HA week in World of Europe but That's and and at the and at the beginning I remember when we started like one year and a half ago or something like that.
I had a spreadsheet where I was putting almost everything I was doing like a meeting with someone or having a call with someone or answering slack messages for 1 h, and It of course I'm not doing that now.
I just say, okay, this is the goal. I'm working towards it. And that is enough for them.
Also, I think they would love to have like a real amount of hours or something. Also, I see a problem because even I mean, I love that we have the automatic thing, a way to have a dashboard with all that that info.
And as soon as we have some kind of manual. A way of adding stuff then We see what happens with the 5 for the future page.
Yeah.
Where?
Like. People saying they spend 127 HA day in the 20 with teams and And that's also this 13 the reality and then it becomes not useful because if you check many teams like Wow, and even in the sustainability thing, it's a really new one and they have an amount of hours that people are saying they are spending there which they are not.
So I don't know really how Can we balance this way of having some also manual? With the props or even outdoor credits or I don't I don't know.
With not getting all the info wrong so
Yeah, that's Definitely understand that. Want your idea. I had shared. I don't know if I've ever shared this with Asada.
I may have shared it with Kari. Budget and I were both training team reps at different points in our past and we see thousands of people signed up as contributing to the team.
We get to the meeting. Where are they? And do I have a way to say come here? This is the thing that you said you wanted to help with.
Do you know that this exists? Right? Like to be able to get messages to those that say, I would like to do this thing within the training team.
Contact me when you have work on this thing. Per reading or something. You know, contact me when there's that.
We have no mechanism for that at this time and certainly the 2,000 people that say that they're part of the team are not showing up.
So I agree with you one. Buccane, I see your hand up next.
Yes. Also responding to Juan here, there's a lot of unstructured data in WordPress, and structure.
Hmm.
It's like someone adds a word here and we have to interpret that as a something valid that's a data that we are processing like for instance the props thing or what you're doing in an Excel etc in my opinion, the right language to process all of this and the right language to connect with Api's is Python, right?
Because everybody writes, thinking of Python as the potential communicator with data these days.
So I believe that, once we have the, an API, getting the data from the API and transforming it with Python.
I think you mentioned, that could be a pain and not true eventually, but I think it was if we have like someone spending I don't know like 2 or 3 days on that data source that can be handled and all the panels that we get after that will flow like naturally.
In a much more, you know, easy way. So again, if we have a couple of folks in the community that are knowledgeable about this particular language and how to process data from the outside.
Hmm.
I think we can handle multiple sources in a not so difficult way. And in my opinion, I, I, I actually tried and tested the World Comes, the API and did some stuff for myself, the API and did some stuff for myself, you know, my computer and whatever.
And it was really, you know, my computer and whatever. And it was really, really easy, right?
With the Python and company, and it was relatively easy, right? With Python and company, probably with other other software like for instance, again meet up.
Dot com we will need the credentials and stuff but to me it's doable and it's something that like many companies are doing nowadays and they are like a lot of features that can facilitate that.
You've seen especially again Python as a language communicator with that.
Is that? I saw your hands in there too.
Yes, thanks. I want to share something because a concern that I have is that every time we discuss even if we are the same group of people or different group of people, I believe that then it's easy to start to follow the instinct of putting everything in the same box.
And for me this is a risk that we're we might be take in this conversation which is.
What is gone, I'd be like, what is the reason why? Teams want a dashboard because I don't see The same goes for a team dashboard.
To be the same that an individual contributor. Needs to show here their contribution like their sponsors. What they're doing.
I feel that there are different needs. And not all of like not all of them should be treated the same way because one example
Like all of us who are full-time sponsored or partially part-time sponsor. Of course we show our employers what we do.
But this might be like the detail. The granular detail of what I'm doing every day.
I don't think that it is important to the community in reps, for example, of the program managers and program supporters to see how the projects of the team needs to be needs to be led or where the team needs more help.
Hmm.
So in one case, yes, I would like to see that in this working group they want to create what is the goal of this working group like to focus on specific needs in my opinion in this context should be the team's needs.
And then to address the doubts and warnings about the company's pledging for 500 future.
Okay.
This is one of my greatest hopes that heavy. Dashboard before the team, the contribution teams, we can also have something solid to come back to companies or contributors that are pledging.
Contributing to specific team and say, hey, You're pledging this, this team needs help.
Are you gonna help with this team or you want to remove your plates because you can contribute to those things that you are saying that you are committed to.
So, So I see. Having dashboards or a way to track the projects among all teams as as a tool for us to then claim.
To people who pled contribution that Okay, we need your help in this product. So come and help us as your pledging that you're doing.
So yes, this is. One today. It is in our related to which tool we're gonna use and yeah.
And also to address. Toby, and as well.
Hmm.
Probably we don't need to track. Everything. I mean, if I'm having, If I'm having a conversation with Juan about, Welcome, If I have a if I have a clay like if I'm now if I have any type of conversation or things that we might have.
Is it something that is important to our team? It is relevant for the team to track it. Maybe something it is something not if I am in the case of the community if I'm mentoring an event These it could be useful information because we have an amount of events, we need an amount of mentors and we can see easily who is already busy with mentoring and who is not.
But if I have a conversation with Courtney about, hey, would be nice to maybe add this metric.
Probably this is not that relevant to track. So.
No, I think when when we get into folks whose primary work is thinking and reading. Or holding the many conversations.
I certainly don't need to track every conversation, but There are some individuals. Who it would benefit to surface.
I'm thinking of Kira in particular. Kyra is my co-worker. I go to any sponsored full-time to work on core often has assumes roles of core tech.
Release lead or Kortech editor release. I forget the full term, but. That part of the of the releases that part involves reading lots of tickets.
And staying on top of things and then coming in with a very, very formulated response to things. Don't think we need to granularly track conversations and I spent an hour thinking about this.
But I do think that we need to have some way of acknowledging those who primarily the main thing that they do is going to be thinking and cversations and reading because it could potentially help secure them if it's ever questioned what do you do because we see no metrics.
There are some cases of that. Now Joseph probably doesn't need that justification. Just going to take a while guess.
People understand Jessica does things and is very valuable, but there are some contributors who it may benefit and I'm not presuming to know.
That Kira officially is making such a request, but I also don't want to overlook the fact that for someone in that role, it may be helpful.
Coming close to our end of our time together. I wanna thank everybody that is here. I do think that we can work together.
On forming what the working group. Within sustainability should look like. I think we definitely understand. Leading with team dashboards, especially as that's the direction project leadership has set forward.
Primarily and then second sterely tertiary adding in being aware. That there may be other benefits.
But leading out team dashboards certainly does make sense. And I think as we conclude this. Session of things will come out with a little bit more of a solid working plan and some of the feedback ideas that are there.
But I want to thank each of you for being here. Many of you represent some massive amounts of contribution to this project and it shows you're super well informed, you've had all of your experiences.
It's just a delight to be able to work on all of this with each of you.
I want to make sure that you know that your opinions and your thoughts around this are really valuable even if you know the outcomes don't line up precisely I don't know that we're going to pick this tool or a different tool or build our own or any of that.
I'm just glad that I get to make space for all of you.
Thank you so much, Courtney, for, hosting all these angles.
Yes, yes. I should note too, I have reached out to the scale consortium folks, our enterprise agencies to consider what their customer clients may need.
They have different ideas. What sustainability looks like sometimes and also in areas like that when they assess the health of projects that they choose to implement.
Sometimes that comes with the ability to either fund or send contributors into things. So Again, let's make sure we reach every possible pocket of this massive project.
And make sure our thoughts are heard. Yeah, and see in the comments goodbye. Thank you all.
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